Valves - Dee Robot Interview

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Dave Robertson aka Dee Robot May 2000
Another one of Punk 77's archive interviews.  Dave gives the lowdown on the classic Scottish band The Valves. Nice insight from a different perspective. Not every punk band was a punk band. Read on to understand that cryptic statement.

Thanks to Josephien who typed it all up and emailed me.

   

"Hallo paul , here we go , the valves were originally a band called…….ANGEL EASY!!!!???, playing what was known at the time as….progressive rock!!!!!, i happened to be playing at the time , in a pub duo , who were joined by ronnie macinnon(?) on guitar , he asked me if i’d be interested in joining his band (angel easy) on vocals , as their rhythm guitarist/singer couldn’t do two things at once , i agreed , but when i saw the texts that i had to sing , i threw-up , and asked `if I could maybe write my own lyrics , they agreed , and after some terrible gigs , where their “hard-core”fans totally hated and rejected me….punk was born!!!, but don’t get me wrong ! we were not responsible for the birth , it was coincidentally(?) the same time space ?????, we were , as you so rightly say , playing “pub rock” at the time , but it was all around then anyway , basically , i’d never really written a song in my life , so when i got the chance , i just went crazy !!!, and as my musical upbringing was rock and roll , that meant songs don’t last more than three minutes (maximum) , and exactly at this time , i started to hear things on the radio , like “new rose” from the damned , which is still , like one of the best tracks ever recorded ever (ever) , of course , i’d read in the music papers all the stuff about the sex  pistols , etc., but i didn’t like the look of these guys (later i met steve jones and he was pretty cool) , anyway , in answer to your first question , it wasn’t really a question of us taking a punk direction ,  it was more that we met each other on the crossroads (man) , and the  people who were booking gigs at the time , didn’t know who the fuck was who !!!.

STARDATE:1976….i guess punk hit scotland at more or less the same time  as it hit everywhere else , in edinburgh , bands sprung up like mushrooms after the rain , matt vinyl and the decorators (a name dave christie stole from me !) the scars , the freeze (the exploited came later) and many more , but i wasn’t counting , basically “real” punks hated us , people who liked rough rock and roll and r&b loved us , and as you might imagine , there are always areas of crossover.

Well , like i said , we were never a punk band , but probably becos of the first single , we got gigs , and we did obviously have “fans”, but i think very few of them were punks ! we played lots of fast songs , but none of them had anything to do with margaret thatcher or looking for a job ! therefore we were looked down-on by the REAL punk bands , altho we did have some friends among them , gigs were mostly bars and student unions , tiffany’s , eric browns , stewarts ballroom , the abercorn (?) , the art college , but to be honest , i can’t remember them all.

I liked the rezillos very much , was in fact , kind of in awe of them , they seemed so professional ! and in fact “adolfs’’ was based on the riff from their classic “can’t stand my baby” ! i never heard the self abusers , but they were glaswegians , we did however do a gig with the original simple minds (same group , different name) , but i didn’t like them , and was convinced they were going NOWHERE ! i think there were many bands , when you consider the size difference between london and edinburgh ! .

We got some management , who got us our first support with tom robinson  (no relation) ,and after the gig , lenny love (rezillos manager) came backstage with bruce findlay (?) who asked us if we’d like to record , we were of course delighted , and we signed-up ! i have no recollection of the deal , only that we got to drink some champagne , which seemed pretty big-time to us ! i don’t remember the reviews , so i guess they were crap ! but we were probably just happy to get mentioned in the music papers ! obviously we felt like local heroes , i think at the time there were only us and the rezillos with a record out .

It wasn’t a question of revertion (?) to r&b , that was more or less the style i was writing in , like i said , there was a bit of confusion at the time , between pub rock/punk/new wave , i also disagree that “tarzan/no surf”killed the band , it was recorded not so long after the first one , and we were in fact beginning to get bigger and better gigs , we played all over england/scotland and ireland , and got booked for a mini-tour of sweden , all in 1978 when we had no record out at all ! i don’t regret signing to zoom , and i don;t remember if ANYTHING went wrong , i think our management were trying to get us a deal with a major , we had an offer from E.M.I. to do a single , a cover of manfred mann’s “54321”( r&b)!!! which we used to do for an encore number , but i guess that was fucked-up ? there were two or three offers from other companies to do an album , but gordon , our drummer, who we trusted to know stuff ( cos basically the rest of us didn’t have a clue !) , persuaded us that there wasn’t enuff money involved , so i guess you could say we fucked that up ourselves ! i’m not sure any of us wanted to move to london , we played there on a very regular basis , but i’m not sure we could’ve survived there , i don’t think it was even discussed , but i couldn’t have gone anyway , as i was married ( with children !)

The deal with albion was for publishing only , meanwhile we ( our management ) were hoping to sign to a major, ( some hope !) history will show that it never happened , and out of desperation , albion decided to put out a single….”don’t mean nuthin”……which also DID nuthin at all !!! at first we were excited becos it was played on the radio for a couple of weeks , then silence ! we went to albion to ask why our lovely record had suddenly vanished , and the head honcho said…….O , the record plugger has gone on holiday !!!!! so of course we asked why they couldn’t get some other bugger as a plugger , but it was just like they couldn;t give a shit , so i quit !!! O! regarding the missing sleeve ! there was an excellent layout prepared by a guy called DON…somebody , a really cool guy who worked with our management , and there was the possibility of four different sleeves ( i think generation X had just done this trick , and we were impressed ! ) but this was obviously beyond the financial reach of albion , which is fucking ridiculous in a time when things like sleeves and colored vinyl really DID make a difference ! .

Thats about when it ended , we played ONE more gig , AFTER we were officially broken-up , at the first stadium concert in scotland , organised by our ( ex ) management , and they asked if we’d like to play , just for fun , so the cheetahs opened ,(good friends of ours ) and we played second , on a bill that included squeeze and the undertones , to mention just a couple , and van morrison was top of the bill , but i never saw him , cos me and my family had to catch the last bus home (it’s tuff at the top !)

Directly afterwards we were all caught-up by the dole , and faced with the choice of getting a job , or going to court , so i got a job in a biscuit factory , which drove me crazy , after two or three years of doing what i liked , and being a little mini-star/big fish in a small pond , so i quit , and got huckled again by the dole , who seemed to be determined to crucify SOMEBODY !!! i got ANOTHER job and stayed with it ( remember , i had a family ) But meanwhile i was writing all the time , i wanted to get a new band together , and i wanted to write ALL the songs ( in the valves i wrote all the texts , but only a percentage of the tunes ) but thats another
story , i think ronnie went back to printing ( his trade ) , and got married etc., i don’t think he plays anymore , but i don’t know as i haven’t seen him for YEARS !! padda went back to his goverment job !!! and i heard that he traded his bass for a set of golf clubs !!!!!! but i don’t know , he got married sometime in the eighties , but the cunt didn;t even invite me to his wedding…..so fuck him , i like to think that i got on best with gordon/teddy dair , the drummer, He was cool/handsome/knew stuff ( except about recording contracts !!!) was mostly very sweet to me , except when we had personality conflicts ( like all the time ) i used to see him quite often when i came home for a visit but we seem to have lost touch.

I liked bands like the damned and the clash very much , i wasn’t crazy about the people who took themselves too seriously ! i also liked X-RAY SPECS , the saints , from australia , and john otway , I think we only toured with joe jackson , but we played support for lots of big acts; The stranglers , ian dury , the adverts , gen.x , saints , screwdriver (?) ,the members , the greedy bastards , etc.,.

I think we got pretty good coverage , considering that we weren’t SO big , of course it could always have been better , but then….so could we !.

We did a couple of sessions for the B.B.C., the kid jensen show , and something else that ( of course ) i can’t remember , but i know we did some good stuff , we were always told that we changed our repertoire too often , with the result that we never quite gave material a chance to “grow” and develop , this was probably my fault , cos i got bored with the songs very quickly , but i remember ( big surprise ) one song we did on , i think , the kid jensen show.…”that’s for me “ which waas very much in the style of the new york dolls , who i was a huge fan of , but these things were just before we quit , and as far as i remember (?) we never got tapes of the sessions !!!it would be nice to hear some of that shit again , i think in the short time that we were together , i’ve forgotten more songs than i can….you know , remember !!!.

i think we just thought it was cool to be in london ? i’m not sure that london bands paid any attention to us ! and the public was generally cooler/colder toward us than at home , but we were happy to do it , AND we did have the BIGGEST graffitti (?) campaign in london !!! one of our managers was up in court because of it , we got fined four hundred pounds or something like that . We played the roundhouse , the marquee , the rock garden , the hope and anchor , the nashville , the music machine ( later the camden palace), the last resort, in acton, with screwdriver, and a few other things.

I hope i’ve answered some of your questions to your satisfaction , and if there is anything else i can help you with just let me know , dave .

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